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  1. Merano Guest

    Rape and hurting children have no intrinsic value to storytelling. Murder? Sure! Go out and pillage and kill and destroy all day long! Don’t hurt kids while doing it, though. If you do that, you’re a hack, because there are ‘better ways.’
    The cool thing about this is that Steven manages to call Warren Ellis, Mark Millar and Brian Azzarello hacks.
    Last edited by Merano; Sunday, June 27, 2010 at 01:12 PM.



  2. JohnLees Guest

    Quote Originally Posted by Merano View Post
    The cool thing about this is that Steven manages to call Warren Ellis, Mark Millar and Brian Azzarello hacks.
    Alan Moore can get away with it because he's Alan Moore. Alan Moore wrote a book that is classified as child porn in some countries and still got acclaimed for it, because he's Alan Moore.



  3. Merano Guest

    The countries that classified the book child porn misunderstood the point completely. But I agree, even though I didn't mention Alan Moore.

    To call the creators above hacks because of what they do in their fiction, is, I don't know, wrong? But it's funny to read, though.



  4. drgerb Guest

    I think it does a decent enough job at expressing A. Rules are meant to be broken, and B. Not everybody is Alan Moore...

    Or Warren Ellis or Brian or whoever.

    Pitch an unproven child porn story to Image as a nobody creator and watch them green light it. I'll give you my life savings if you can do it.

    Hell, I read on the Image forum that they'll publish ANYthing if it's a GOOD story. So work on making a GOOD STORY first. Then try filling in the blanks with hurting children. Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. Either way, as an unproven creator, I wish you the best of luck.



  5. drgerb Guest

    PS: And of course we can't forget Image's own Robert Kirkman, a la Walking Dead. I guess it isn't an explicit child rape scene, but it's an intended / insinuated one. But hey, he's Kirkman afterall.



  6. Merano Guest

    Of course, child rape or child murder just for its own sake comes off as too much. At least I wouldn't read such material. But Steven seems to bring up that you shouldn't under any circumstances have a kid murdered in your comic, because there's 'better ways'.

    But as you say, rules are meant to be broken, and this is just his opinion, and I just happen to disagree.



  7. JohnLees Guest

    Huh, dunno why I was sure I saw Alan Moore mentioned in your post. :confused:

    But I think the implied point Steve was trying to make was not to never, ever write rape or harm to children, but don't just do it out of sensationalism. There needs to be a good reason for it.



  8. OmegaSentry Guest

    Well personally I love to make insane villains that are just so souless that they would do anything that came to mind. Only I don't know if publishers are to open minded with that. If you are a no one you really can't get away from that unless you have some book that is selling which was self published or some one decided to take a chance.

    I think a right approche to getting away with taking advantage of comic villians full potential would by using the power of suguestion. Suguest that he did something horrid but never mention it.

    But if you can get away with it I say do the horrid act!



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